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    Kohlhase & Kopp's Dunhill clones

    Hello,

    As we've discussed before, Kohlhase & Koop have developed a series of blends to replace the Dunhill pipe tobaccos. A first attempt last autumn failed because the blend names and tin designs were too close to the originals. So distribution was halted till the new tin design (now a uniform yellow for all blends) as well as the blend names were in place.

    The tobaccos have now started to come into the shops, and one of them, Tabak Benden in Düsseldorf, have published a helpful list of the blends on their Cigar World website. It gives you the Dunhill blends and the Robert McConnell Heritage blends that are respectively intended to replace them:

    Dark Flake ----> Black Flake
    Flake ----> Flake
    Durbar Mixture ----> Oriental Square Mixture
    Early Morning Pipe ----> Boutique Blend
    Elizabethan Mixture ----> Regent Street
    London Mixture ----> Piccadilly Circus
    My Mixture 221B Baker Street ----> My Mixture Barking Road
    My Mixture No. 965 ----> Marleybone
    My Mixture No. BB 1938 ----> Latakia Mixture 1848
    Nightcap ----> Covent Garden
    Standard Mixture ----> Notting Hill
    Standard Mixture Medium ----> Oxford Street
    Three Year Matured Virginia ----> 5 Year Matured Virginia
    The Aperitif ----> St. James Park
    Ye Olde Signe ----> Shakespeare
    Royal Yacht ----> Paddington
    Navy Rolls ----> Highgate
    Ready Rubbed ----> Ready Rubbed

    Source: https://www.cigarworld.de/pfeifentab...itage-90015086

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    Thanks, Markus.

    To recap - UK Charatan replacements by K&K are:


    https://www.gqtobaccos.com/charatan-...-replacements/



    Same thing badge engineered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo44 View Post
    Thanks, Markus.

    To recap - UK Charatan replacements by K&K are:


    https://www.gqtobaccos.com/charatan-...-replacements/



    Same thing badge engineered?
    Hello,

    That's quite possible, even probable from what I have just found out:

    The Charatan tobaccos are offered by Tor Import Ltd, along with Ashton and Robert Lewis tobaccos. See: https://www.tor-imports.co.uk/pipe-tobacco
    The latter two are made by Kohlhase & Kopp.

    On their website, the company says (bold text highlighted by me):

    Tor started work to launch a Charatan Pipe Tobacco with our Global Pipe Tobacco manufacturing partner in 2017 to create and test replica blends with pipe clubs around Europe and the UK with a view to introducing a brand new range of Pipe Tobaccos of exhaustion of the current stock of the Dunhill range. It took months before they were happy that they have acheived the blends to be as close as possible.
    Source: https://www.tor-imports.co.uk/charatanpipetobacco

    As they refer to a single tobacco manufacfuring partner, that seems to imply that Charatan tobaccos are also made by Kohlhase & Kopp. And it would be surprising if K&K developed two separate sets of a dozen or more blends each to replace the Dunhills.

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    I'd hold off on the match blends. It's been personally reported to me when the remaining stocks of Dunhill run out Orlik will continue the mixtures under new but familiar names. There's still a lot of tins sitting in shops. I've seen Dunhill tobacco on shelves in NYC, St Louis and Tucson in the last month and I cleaned one shop out of what was left of the blue chip mixtures.
    I can tell from the run of match blends that came out during the Murray/Orlik transition shortage/disappearance that none of them are going as good as what Orlik will hopefully release in the next couple of years.
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    Hello,

    I haven't tried any of them yet but will sooner or later try a few. My approach likely will not be to judge them on closeness to the original* but on their own merits.

    *Which after decades of changing manufacturers makes you think which one should be considered the original. Maybe it's whatever you first smoked of them, thus a matter of the smokers age and/or when they started smoking.

    Best wishes
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    It'll be interesting to see what happens here regarding Dunhill blends once they run out. No sign of that happening soon as the online retailers who sell them seem to have plenty of stock in at the moment. Unfortunately for me they have never sold the flake blends I wanted to try so I'm hoping they might once the new ones start to arrive...if they arrive. I think I've only ever had the Royal Yacht blend.

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    I've stocked up a bit on EMP, might do some more too. Blends change with transfer of ownership it seems.
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